1 00:01:52,560 --> 00:02:00,360 The year 90 was a disaster, and when normalized the situation in Slovenia, 2 00:02:00,361 --> 00:02:08,741 the war came on the boat, in two previous republics, in Croatia and in Bosnia. 3 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:15,361 And a person contacted me in Ljubljana, and he said yes 4 00:02:15,362 --> 00:02:19,140 he wanted me to come with him on a road against Austria. 5 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:34,040 He was an American and a Croatian, and I was the first to contact the representative of 6 00:02:34,390 --> 00:02:36,100 an important agency of the United States. 7 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:41,668 This agency had access to all data, and 8 00:02:41,669 --> 00:02:47,140 he saw in me a person who could be useful. 9 00:02:48,390 --> 00:02:53,060 My partner also knew that he had a little discomfort, it didn't work. 10 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,880 He took me to Austria, where I was introduced. 11 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,896 The first thing they told me it was that they were not interested 12 00:03:01,897 --> 00:03:04,201 Slovenia, but They were interested in Bosnia. 13 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:10,360 They had great interests in Bosnia, and they were interested in the air. 14 00:03:10,361 --> 00:03:16,840 They told me that they had information that I He spoke Croatian Serbo. 15 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:24,600 And I told them that Slovenians were very loved in the ancient republics. 16 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,000 It's never... it's difficult to go to a Croatian and a serba 17 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,460 That's nothing, even with the clubs it's difficult. 18 00:03:32,510 --> 00:03:34,070 WE HAD A GREAT START IN SLOVENIA 19 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:47,520 From 1992 to the end of 1994, It was something like that. 20 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,680 I went to eat 35 times in the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina. 21 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,300 When I arrived in Haia, at the beginning of 2014, I didn't know when it was going to be more or 22 00:04:01,301 --> 00:04:06,101 less dependent, and I I realized that I could come back 23 00:04:06,102 --> 00:04:10,140 to Sarajevo by plane of the United Nations. 24 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Afterwards I slept in Sarajevo, and a day or two I went to Pará, Ilič, and... 25 00:04:20,220 --> 00:04:23,960 I felt prepared for the situation, because the American Agency is 26 00:04:23,961 --> 00:04:31,080 interested in how people are, what they do, how they survive, what they think about 27 00:04:31,081 --> 00:04:36,660 the policies of the world, its policies, above all, the situation between the people. 28 00:04:44,570 --> 00:04:45,730 Damn your mother! 29 00:04:45,810 --> 00:04:46,810 Damn your son! 30 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:49,170 Come on! 31 00:05:19,450 --> 00:05:19,750 Come on! 32 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:21,150 Great garnet! 33 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:23,050 Alright! 34 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:24,810 Wow! 35 00:05:34,250 --> 00:05:35,250 Whoa, help me! 36 00:05:36,350 --> 00:05:37,350 Come on! 37 00:05:40,290 --> 00:05:41,290 How do we do it? 38 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:42,450 That's it. 39 00:06:09,580 --> 00:06:12,541 Be thoughtful... It's been a while I know that, in a place so much of Laona... 40 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:13,700 I have lost 4,000 or 5,000 marks. 41 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,380 It doesn't seem like enough money to me. 42 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:19,880 It was well paid, but the truth is that... 43 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,680 ...was... 44 00:07:25,190 --> 00:07:26,300 ...very exposed. 45 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:32,040 When I studied at school, I went home and I worked in different areas, in different 46 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:42,700 factories and I had a code name, that is, I was actually infiltrated 47 00:09:42,701 --> 00:09:49,760 certain institutions, and not in what had to take care of this space. 48 00:09:51,610 --> 00:09:57,500 Then my path was much more secret. 49 00:09:57,970 --> 00:10:01,680 I could say it was a kind of walk, but I walked more for the 50 00:10:03,530 --> 00:10:07,440 defense of Yugoslavia in this context. 51 00:10:10,690 --> 00:10:12,170 I could say that I was collecting information. 52 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:17,380 He cared for me both inside me and inside of me 53 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:30,700 When in '87 I decided to go to America, when he was consul general of Zagreb in 54 00:10:30,701 --> 00:10:35,880 America, I heard it and then I had a conversation with the consul. 55 00:10:36,140 --> 00:10:41,040 Then I saw that I had the data that I worked for... 56 00:10:41,041 --> 00:10:42,401 which was in a state office. 57 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:44,900 So they had everything. 58 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,512 And also, in this way, the Yugoslavia office collaborated 59 00:10:53,562 --> 00:11:00,240 very good with your offices, on the other part of the blocks. 60 00:11:09,570 --> 00:11:14,530 In November of the year 93, I was invited to Belgrade. 61 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:21,910 And there they decided to my colleagues, that they had invited me from the south, 62 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:27,710 and they told me if I was interested in other things, and so I was the first to 63 00:11:28,970 --> 00:11:36,970 I found the dark beach of war Bosnia. 64 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:43,910 I was traveling in the helicopter. 65 00:11:43,990 --> 00:11:44,510 I was traveling in the helicopter. 66 00:11:44,511 --> 00:11:48,030 In the helicopter I traveled from Serpent Republic. 67 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,310 And there they told me that they were going to show me an activity. 68 00:11:53,530 --> 00:11:59,750 And so I was the first one to find the Sarajevo safari. 69 00:12:00,185 --> 00:12:02,150 Up close, that is, from the next cities. 70 00:12:04,210 --> 00:12:12,210 I was in Garbavica and I saw how certain money arrives unknown and 71 00:12:12,710 --> 00:12:17,790 They shoot the inhabitants of Sarajevo. 72 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:33,230 I was in Pallas for about two days. 73 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:42,250 They were waiting for the team to arrive. to go on safari. 74 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:47,590 I remember that there was a representative of the Serpent Force. 75 00:12:47,990 --> 00:12:50,150 The representative of the Serpent Force. 76 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,778 He told me that he was going to tell me very close situations 77 00:12:54,779 --> 00:12:59,090 of his soldiers who were in the depths of the Force. 78 00:13:02,210 --> 00:13:08,720 And I saw that they had two cars ready. 79 00:13:09,740 --> 00:13:10,900 These soldiers. 80 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:14,100 That they were also in that car. 81 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,520 They were inside them. 82 00:13:19,521 --> 00:13:22,000 We were all dressed in green. 83 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:26,580 That we didn't know each other as people civilians. 84 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:29,580 I had a takeoff car. 85 00:13:29,581 --> 00:13:31,480 Then a car takeoff. 86 00:13:31,481 --> 00:13:33,480 For security. 87 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:39,460 And he told me that he was going to tell me the very close situations of their soldiers. 88 00:13:42,570 --> 00:13:46,480 Then we were left facing the blockade. 89 00:13:48,130 --> 00:13:55,780 And there I saw 3 soldiers who were inside of soldiers' cars. 90 00:13:56,980 --> 00:14:04,980 And I realized that they were not from Bosnia, neither from Serbia, nor from Montenegro. 91 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:06,860 That they had to be from the west. 92 00:14:07,330 --> 00:14:10,700 One told me they were from the west, from Russia. 93 00:14:12,090 --> 00:14:13,700 When I went to the cars. 94 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:24,320 At that moment, everyone was ready, It was seen that something was going to happen, but I thought 95 00:14:24,321 --> 00:14:27,949 what is happening here They are also journalists, 96 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:30,781 because I accredited myself as journalist, so that they understand each other. 97 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:40,400 If we go back to history, journalists They are suffocated. 98 00:14:41,610 --> 00:14:46,780 When you are a journalist, you are not used to to the situation, it's a bit suffocating. 99 00:14:46,820 --> 00:14:50,520 But here you saw an adrenaline rush. 100 00:14:51,940 --> 00:14:54,580 Then he started connecting with the adrenaline. 101 00:14:54,581 --> 00:14:56,381 They expected me to come and do something. 102 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,520 We come to Nottingham. 103 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,680 We come in two rooms. 104 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:17,000 We were prepared, everything was masquerade, but there were more positions, 105 00:15:17,001 --> 00:15:20,860 So the positions were changed, so when they moved, 106 00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:26,140 one went to another position, because with a displacement position, there is a large 107 00:15:26,141 --> 00:15:28,359 possibility of move from the other, 108 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,140 because it moves displacer position. 109 00:15:34,090 --> 00:15:38,440 Then I saw that in old England, 110 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:46,210 the republic of war, in the chapter 2, which will now be prepared, 111 00:15:46,970 --> 00:15:47,410 there is a great possibility that move from the other. 112 00:15:47,460 --> 00:15:51,754 But I always thought that he would stay there, in the 113 00:15:51,774 --> 00:15:54,530 bed, with a long eye, and that I would see with a long eye. 114 00:15:54,730 --> 00:16:02,350 I haven't been able to tell him that he would stay, that they had given him the weapon, that everything 115 00:16:02,351 --> 00:16:04,271 would have been turned off and they would have shot. 116 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:09,190 I would honestly say that... 117 00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:12,270 I... 118 00:16:13,930 --> 00:16:15,210 I was a little shocked, wasn't I? 119 00:16:15,330 --> 00:16:15,950 A little in shock. 120 00:16:15,951 --> 00:16:21,218 As if out of position where I worked, I was 121 00:16:21,318 --> 00:16:24,290 used to seeing everyone the men who moved. 122 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,550 But also, everyone, right? 123 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:29,070 But, well... 124 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:31,690 It's always like this, isn't it? 125 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:32,810 I think... 126 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,010 One person was scared, one fell, right? 127 00:16:36,740 --> 00:16:41,630 Because I also saw this person, and I saw that she was scared, that she fell, 128 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:43,970 because people moved, They moved, right? 129 00:16:50,450 --> 00:16:51,970 car 맡azó 130 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,520 and he was scared, because he equaled him, right? 131 00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:23,310 But sometimes it's not really a jumpsuit. because you badged me. 132 00:17:23,311 --> 00:17:25,191 Because I was motivated also to the city, because 133 00:17:25,192 --> 00:17:26,550 everything is ret but no It's all part of me, right? 134 00:17:26,551 --> 00:17:28,210 So I have decided to fight. 135 00:17:28,211 --> 00:17:29,866 At that moment I know that when I came from the city, that's the proof, right? 136 00:17:29,890 --> 00:17:33,610 And what was between us and the workers? 137 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:34,810 I can't speak. 138 00:18:11,410 --> 00:18:16,650 The following were on my initiative, because it was very interesting. 139 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:18,410 How do workers do this? 140 00:18:20,500 --> 00:18:21,810 I saw these workers. 141 00:18:22,590 --> 00:18:24,590 Surely they weren't... 142 00:18:26,030 --> 00:18:27,270 ...previous workers. 143 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:28,490 They were... 144 00:18:29,070 --> 00:18:30,090 ...someone in positions. 145 00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:32,150 And... 146 00:19:30,050 --> 00:19:37,800 In October 1993, Irina filled the year, We managed to have a small celebration. 147 00:19:37,860 --> 00:19:42,120 My mom and her grandmother made a cake without eggs, 148 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:56,120 The first day of Irina's birth, I found a photographer with a film, 149 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:03,000 and those are the only images I have, so we recorded it, and four days 150 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:07,500 Afterwards, we walked a little, It was a wonderful, peaceful day, 151 00:20:07,740 --> 00:20:12,000 There were no shots, every day I looked at that the children went out to clean the air, 152 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:18,000 So that day, we arrived in Samira, In the unit, we go out a little, 153 00:20:18,500 --> 00:20:26,140 where he was, stationed in the Armia from Bosnia and Herzegovina, we returned home, 154 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,780 we arrived at Ciglana, where we lived, and an incredible situation, I was left with 155 00:20:31,781 --> 00:20:38,880 two or three friends, we talked a little, a quiet day, there were no shots, 156 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:44,640 Irina was already walking, I stayed with two or three friends, we talked a little, 157 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:57,720 a quiet day, there was no shots, every day 158 00:20:57,721 --> 00:21:08,200 I looked at the children They went out to clean the air, 159 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:42,480 and an incredible situation, I was left with two or three friends, we talked a little, 160 00:27:49,540 --> 00:27:55,412 a quiet day, there was no shots, every day 161 00:27:55,413 --> 00:27:58,980 I looked at the children They went out to clean the air, 162 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:15,920 When we reached the killer's position, The murderer was preparing the weapon. 163 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,460 Then the person who was going to shoot stayed at his side. 164 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:25,360 Next to him was the other, who had the fixed hand. 165 00:28:25,361 --> 00:28:29,780 I wasn't used to it, but I was looking with a look. 166 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,080 He had my look, so I saw him. 167 00:28:33,850 --> 00:28:35,880 When the shot was fired, the person fell. 168 00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:48,246 Most of the murderers shot each other 169 00:28:48,247 --> 00:28:51,920 head, because the head It looked like it was shot. 170 00:28:51,921 --> 00:28:57,220 So I realized that the murderers They were very good hunters. 171 00:28:58,085 --> 00:29:03,532 I already knew that the murderer Leaf was very dangerous, because 172 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:07,380 the murderers were shooting constantly and killed people. 173 00:29:07,845 --> 00:29:13,660 But I already knew that murderers did it just to make money. 174 00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:18,560 As hunters do when hunting Jelenac. 175 00:29:18,620 --> 00:29:20,420 He also hoped for the killer. 176 00:29:20,421 --> 00:29:23,620 So they did it instead They will shoot. 177 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400 I was in danger when I saw him. 178 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:34,620 I got a little sick in the heart, when I saw how a man of about 179 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:47,320 40, 35, 45 years, how the murderer who was 180 00:29:47,321 --> 00:29:47,320 preparing the weapon, I was doing a test. 181 00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:53,760 And then I realized that the murderer was there and gone. 182 00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:02,520 The first time I threw it, it told me that I had an adrenaline rush. 183 00:30:04,550 --> 00:30:09,400 I couldn't have something that I had they taught. 184 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280 I don't even know why they taught it to me. 185 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,620 That I didn't even know why. 186 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,805 And on a day like that, coming back, actually, alone 187 00:32:55,806 --> 00:32:59,320 we had three colleagues at the School of Physics. 188 00:33:00,190 --> 00:33:03,760 Actually, I had three colleagues and I was the fourth 189 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,780 We did many readings at the house. teacher. 190 00:33:14,820 --> 00:33:21,620 It was enough for us not to go to the cathedral because the school was in the 191 00:33:21,621 --> 00:33:28,020 first line of the border, on the island from the Milhaz River, where the two lived. 192 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:30,420 And... 193 00:33:33,655 --> 00:33:37,560 I had a very nice night. 194 00:33:41,375 --> 00:33:44,405 A night that was shown for the first time after 195 00:33:44,406 --> 00:33:47,460 of a beautiful summer, on March 3, 1995. 196 00:33:47,461 --> 00:33:50,580 Maybe the first day of summer. 197 00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,320 The day summer arrived, maybe before time. 198 00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:57,780 But... 199 00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:59,330 I went out... 200 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,640 attracted by the beauty of that... 201 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,100 sky. 202 00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:08,460 AND... 203 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:12,860 In front of the International Museum... 204 00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:15,590 I was hit by a sniper. 205 00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:23,290 It was at that point in my pregnancy. 206 00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:24,630 And I recorded it. 207 00:34:24,730 --> 00:34:27,070 The camera was on that slide. 208 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:28,830 Leave it! 209 00:34:28,910 --> 00:34:29,910 Leave it! 210 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:44,670 And what happened... all of us... We have always thought that... 211 00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:46,571 or later... all of us... 212 00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:48,230 that... 213 00:34:48,450 --> 00:34:52,171 what... what... what... what... what... what... 214 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:54,850 that... that... out. 215 00:34:54,851 --> 00:34:56,790 But something of the opposite. 216 00:34:56,791 --> 00:35:00,458 I thought it wouldn't be so radical and so... so 217 00:35:00,459 --> 00:35:04,571 terrible and so painful as it was... then. 218 00:35:05,370 --> 00:35:11,030 And... I lost the I breathed, and I couldn't... 219 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:22,650 actually, say, reagin... and I had to calm down... and to... 220 00:35:22,651 --> 00:35:29,670 I wanted to die and find my energy to survive. 221 00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:45,670 I knew I would stay alive, but only for the reason why I had to testify something 222 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,050 bigger than what I saw then. 223 00:35:58,530 --> 00:36:05,830 It may sound strange, but in that beautiful sliding of the sun that threw me off 224 00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:08,810 room and took me to that place. 225 00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:15,680 That tragedy and drama that happened there. 226 00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:23,980 And what I saw at that moment is perhaps the most beautiful moment of my life. 227 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:38,800 It may be because during the last four years of war I have developed 228 00:36:40,670 --> 00:36:48,320 that ability to find in tragedy the greater the beauty that can oppose it. 229 00:36:49,630 --> 00:36:54,354 And although that was the tragedy biggest of my life, 230 00:36:54,355 --> 00:36:58,800 I needed beauty bigger to oppose it. 231 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,015 But however rationalize or abstract, 232 00:37:11,016 --> 00:37:15,800 I started my path towards something very important. 233 00:37:18,620 --> 00:37:19,960 Which I still don't know what it is. 234 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:24,860 I could never explain it, but I always was distracting 235 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,400 And... 236 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:33,260 after that, after I lived that moment, and after the intensity of the 237 00:37:33,261 --> 00:37:38,760 Koshevo disease, and after me trip to New York, to rehab, 238 00:37:39,460 --> 00:37:44,062 to recovery in Bosnian city, always 239 00:37:44,063 --> 00:37:50,220 I have been worried with how to show that... 240 00:37:51,375 --> 00:37:52,980 that slide of the sun that day. 241 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,481 How... how... 242 00:37:57,630 --> 00:38:01,680 how to say something beautiful to everything that is around us. 243 00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:51,930 It was a day of peace. 244 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:58,270 Even the transport of the Nations United was in that car that had that one 245 00:38:58,271 --> 00:39:03,915 soldier in a vehicle weaponry with great weaponry, 246 00:39:03,916 --> 00:39:07,570 but he did not have the mandate to protect those passengers. 247 00:39:07,571 --> 00:39:09,470 And he just positioned himself as... 248 00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:11,070 like a sign... 249 00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:18,510 like an insubstantial, unstable signal, a sign of... 250 00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:20,990 of the presence... 251 00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:24,530 without... 252 00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:27,150 strength. 253 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,550 And... 254 00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:34,610 in that photo... 255 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,480 there is no proof of that slip of the sun. 256 00:39:39,610 --> 00:39:42,510 It's a photo of 4... 4... 257 00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:44,390 beta... 258 00:39:44,750 --> 00:39:46,170 what is... 259 00:39:49,295 --> 00:39:52,130 who notices only the events of that day. 260 00:39:52,855 --> 00:39:56,210 But the truth is a much more picture wide. 261 00:39:56,670 --> 00:39:58,531 And... and... 262 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,110 search for the truth... 263 00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:07,970 testify, be... 264 00:40:09,690 --> 00:40:10,690 tell... 265 00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:13,690 the beauty of it all... 266 00:40:15,405 --> 00:40:16,570 that would really be... 267 00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:20,137 maybe that's the reason for which I am here, 268 00:40:20,138 --> 00:40:22,630 that had never been given to me account of how it happened. 269 00:40:22,631 --> 00:40:23,631 Everything that happened. 270 00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:18,820 Everybody... died in the war. 271 00:41:19,570 --> 00:41:20,740 We are all trapped... 272 00:41:21,590 --> 00:41:22,640 deeply and... 273 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,440 unattainably. 274 00:41:24,845 --> 00:41:25,845 That slide... 275 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,340 what happened before the cameras... and... 276 00:41:28,515 --> 00:41:32,180 under the gaze of the sniper... and in all of us... 277 00:41:32,181 --> 00:41:36,481 except the child who can't cure... no judgment... or... 278 00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:41,380 none... 279 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,101 reward... there is no... no there are... rewards... there are not... 280 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,840 resolutions that... 281 00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:54,680 What are they going to stop... that... 282 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,240 that fact. 283 00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:01,500 That despair... 284 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,210 what was left... 285 00:42:13,890 --> 00:42:15,470 like... like... 286 00:42:15,730 --> 00:42:16,730 like... 287 00:42:17,890 --> 00:42:18,890 like... 288 00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:20,210 like... 289 00:43:20,570 --> 00:43:23,190 liar... like... the land... like... the street. 290 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:31,171 protect Message as... time... like... 291 00:43:33,490 --> 00:43:36,651 the things of men with the college of God... like... like... 292 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:49,150 தי לא שתematicה like... condchlagen... ...I don't want it. 293 00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:51,310 In this world. 294 00:44:13,050 --> 00:44:14,050 Thank you so much! 295 00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:26,930 Thank you so much! 296 00:44:34,050 --> 00:44:34,710 Levo! 297 00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:35,950 Levo! 298 00:44:37,630 --> 00:44:38,790 Levo! 299 00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:57,610 Levo! 300 00:44:57,611 --> 00:44:58,611 Thank you so much! 301 00:44:58,650 --> 00:44:59,650 Come on! 302 00:45:00,190 --> 00:45:01,190 Come on! 303 00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:07,410 Come on! 304 00:45:07,810 --> 00:45:08,410 Come on! 305 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:09,550 Come on! 306 00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:42,720 At the beginning of 1993, I received a call of the head of the Ministry of Defense of the 307 00:45:42,721 --> 00:45:46,142 Secretary of Defense of the Secretary of Defense of the 308 00:45:46,143 --> 00:45:47,740 Information Center the Secretary of Defense. 309 00:45:48,095 --> 00:45:54,180 So since the beginning of 1993 I am member of the head of the Secretariat of 310 00:45:54,181 --> 00:45:55,652 Defense of the Secretariat Defense Secretariat 311 00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,641 of Defense of the Navy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. 312 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:07,100 From various sectors of the Secretariat of Defense I liked, because of the nature of my 313 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:15,520 work and education experience, get into analytics and, of course, 314 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:21,280 For all those who are dedicated to information, who want to know a lot, 315 00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:30,100 Analytics is an informational realm in which that adds up all the information that 316 00:46:30,101 --> 00:46:35,680 At that moment they arrived from all borders of Bosnia and Herzegovina. 317 00:46:38,285 --> 00:46:41,800 The Secretary of Defense of the Secretariat of Defense underestimated all units 318 00:46:41,801 --> 00:46:45,620 of the Bosnia and Herzegovina Navy only from Sarajevo, but from all the others 319 00:46:46,070 --> 00:46:49,820 frontiers with information about the enemy, his purposes, his plans. 320 00:46:50,795 --> 00:46:55,620 We made evaluations and sent according to the needs of different armies of the 321 00:46:55,621 --> 00:46:59,960 Bosnia and Herzegovina Navy that at that time there were seven. 322 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,631 so i can say that in reality, the field 323 00:47:04,632 --> 00:47:09,720 from Sarajevo had a little finger, as they say. 324 00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:17,300 On one day, in 1953, information from the Secretary of Security of the Navy of the 325 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,340 Bosnia and Herzegovina that, listening to the detainees obtained information 326 00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:29,340 about the matches on the Sarajevo field so that it could be interesting for 327 00:47:29,341 --> 00:47:34,200 us to analyze the enemies and They sent it to us. 328 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,540 I received that information. 329 00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:44,480 But that detainee at the beginning of that information was quite unnecessary. 330 00:47:45,825 --> 00:47:47,380 He was around 20 years old. 331 00:47:48,855 --> 00:47:52,560 He was originally from Parachin, from Serbia. 332 00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,074 And he arrived at the field Sarajevo in that area by 333 00:48:00,075 --> 00:48:04,601 above Hrasno Brdo and Trebević a few days before. 334 00:48:05,830 --> 00:48:08,880 In his statement he described all the way. 335 00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:14,325 He was talking about invite mrs came to a 336 00:48:14,326 --> 00:48:18,821 house in Belgrade for go to the Sarajevo countryside. 337 00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:25,060 And then he was transported with a group of volunteers from Belgrade. 338 00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:32,613 And there begins the part of your statement that caught our attention 339 00:48:32,614 --> 00:48:36,180 and that he spoke of a phenomenon new to the Sarajevo countryside. 340 00:48:38,185 --> 00:48:43,560 First of all, he said that during the search on the bus and the search lasted 341 00:48:43,561 --> 00:48:50,500 all night from Belgrade to Pala, He noticed that when he passed by on that bus 342 00:48:53,545 --> 00:49:01,320 there were five parties that were accompanied by police or specialists and who had 343 00:49:01,321 --> 00:49:05,520 a special status in that group of volunteers. 344 00:49:05,700 --> 00:49:05,960 As? 345 00:49:05,961 --> 00:49:06,420 How? 346 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:07,440 In what way? 347 00:49:07,565 --> 00:49:14,480 In a farmhouse with a good civilian bus, jeep, limousines, that moved, 348 00:49:14,481 --> 00:49:18,323 They had a lot of equipment and they were dressed 349 00:49:18,324 --> 00:49:23,080 combined with a little in civilian dress and some 350 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,520 that highlighted the war, but it was not very clear what it was about, so that 351 00:49:32,521 --> 00:49:35,601 They later discovered that it was actually a team of fighters of very 352 00:49:40,135 --> 00:49:47,660 good quality and they were equipped with During the search most of the 353 00:49:47,661 --> 00:49:54,940 volunteers drank and broke during the trip, and the conversation was accepted by 354 00:49:57,665 --> 00:50:05,540 three of those five games and now, According to his expression, three of them who 355 00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:14,200 gathered were Italians, one said he was from Milan, and the other two did not know about 356 00:50:14,201 --> 00:50:19,580 where they came from, and the other four during the trip they did not communicate, they tried 357 00:50:19,581 --> 00:50:25,460 sleep, they did not communicate, they did not speak, so he started the conversation with 358 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,980 These people, how did they know the language? Serbian, how they knew the English language. 359 00:50:35,985 --> 00:50:41,300 He was interested in how much the newspapers earned, how much 360 00:50:41,301 --> 00:50:44,720 they paid to go fight by the Serbs in Bosnia. 361 00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:50,646 They told him no They would have no reward, 362 00:50:50,647 --> 00:50:54,280 but they paid for go fight in Bosnia. 363 00:50:55,740 --> 00:51:00,151 To him, like a little payer, it was unusual, 364 00:51:00,152 --> 00:51:05,800 because his motive was win something here, steal something. 365 00:51:05,801 --> 00:51:07,480 So what did they pay? 366 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,840 They paid to go to Sarajevo and the Serbian army allowed them to shoot 367 00:51:13,841 --> 00:51:18,153 the construction to the people, to the objectives 368 00:51:18,154 --> 00:51:21,400 in the city, in the free part of the city. 369 00:51:21,725 --> 00:51:28,720 And they paid that like a fee, like a rate in the fight. 370 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:36,280 So that he understands and I also understand I understand that this is a safari for the 371 00:51:36,281 --> 00:51:43,680 people and they are people who come with that reason 372 00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:51,940 a new morbid species of snipers that they pay to kill. 373 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:22,740 So at that time, he didn't have no knowledge. 374 00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:34,580 I analyzed that information as much as possible and I made a quote, a conclusion that was 375 00:53:34,581 --> 00:53:40,260 It's about a new look in the Sarajevo army, which is a 376 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:51,280 specific species of enemies that are not really enemies in war, 377 00:53:51,730 --> 00:53:55,700 in the aggression in Bosnia and Herzegovina, but they are kind of dangerous already 378 00:53:55,701 --> 00:54:01,240 which are now also on Serbian lines and They open fire on civilians. 379 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,420 In any case, we knew it was a new 380 00:54:11,421 --> 00:54:11,420 danger in the Sarajevo army. 381 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,360 In the military sense, in any sense, That wasn't absolutely important. 382 00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:22,040 Despite the number of snipers in the Sarajevo army, in the army of the 383 00:54:22,041 --> 00:54:25,120 Serbian Republic, payers foreigners, foreign payers 384 00:54:25,121 --> 00:54:32,200 this weekend, it was some snipers that they threw into the city every day. 385 00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:37,980 It wasn't a special force that would change the relationship of force or influence the 386 00:54:37,981 --> 00:54:43,540 relationship of strength, but there was attention, because in that way the army of 387 00:54:43,541 --> 00:54:47,680 Sarajevo became an owner of a specific hobby. 388 00:54:48,970 --> 00:54:56,820 And we try to investigate, of our organs, if in the lines of defense that 389 00:54:56,821 --> 00:55:02,280 They are not urban in nature, not in Sarajevo, not here in Grbavica, but on the lines of 390 00:55:02,281 --> 00:55:06,460 defense that are on the periphery of the city, in the forests, in the fields, 391 00:55:06,461 --> 00:55:12,400 in the field, in the scenes, if possible that there is some kind of sniper. 392 00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,100 Those attempts did not give us many results. 393 00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:23,540 He always realizes that there are acts of snipers every day, sometimes more intense, 394 00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:30,460 sometimes less, but our researchers couldn't even want to 395 00:55:30,461 --> 00:55:37,300 think about what the other side is, who keeps the gun. 396 00:55:38,665 --> 00:55:46,440 It was simply decided whether in that area there are a sniper fire or not, and that was the 397 00:55:46,715 --> 00:55:47,715 end of the story. 398 00:55:48,930 --> 00:55:56,321 So, that way we couldn't know nothing more about the fighters and the snipers. 399 00:55:56,605 --> 00:56:04,260 Then, the head of the Secretariat of the General Guard, Mustafa Hayrullahovic, 400 00:56:04,830 --> 00:56:08,640 With the name Taliyan, he was a legend of the defense of Sarajevo. 401 00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:10,020 It happened after the war. 402 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:20,620 At that time, an activity of Expanded situational awareness. 403 00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:25,720 And so it was that we sought collaboration from the Secretary of the Guard. 404 00:56:28,740 --> 00:56:36,740 At that time, in Sarajevo, there was a group of several armies, who followed their 405 00:56:36,741 --> 00:56:39,340 own resources of the Secretariat of the Guard. 406 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:47,340 At that time, we tried to have good contact with the Secretariat of the 407 00:56:47,341 --> 00:56:51,127 Guard with the Secretariat of the Guard, who was 408 00:56:51,128 --> 00:56:54,620 supporting your own forces in the whole of UMPROFOR. 409 00:56:55,370 --> 00:57:01,060 A meeting was organized at the seat of the Secretariat of the Guard regarding 410 00:57:01,350 --> 00:57:04,440 those sniperists. 411 00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:11,920 And we present to you the first consciousness, which was a surprise to them. 412 00:57:11,921 --> 00:57:14,100 In my opinion, it was a real surprise. 413 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:23,920 There was no strange surprise, Like we didn't know anything about that, 414 00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:28,300 but it was a matter of a job government. 415 00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:32,720 Our impression was that it was a totally illegal operation, 416 00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:40,680 on which the Italian State, the army and the police, probably, 417 00:57:40,681 --> 00:57:43,340 They have no idea what it was passing. 418 00:57:45,065 --> 00:57:51,920 We give them the information and ask them to investigate the entire case, even though 419 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:59,680 that chain, the organization's offer, the people's guide to italy, 420 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,100 whether they are Italian or others, they leave Italy. 421 00:58:05,675 --> 00:58:13,540 Milano was not important, it was just the place where one of them came. 422 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,980 So we couldn't talk much about it. 423 00:58:17,140 --> 00:58:21,460 And they started with very little informations. 424 00:58:22,220 --> 00:58:29,060 The meeting ended with a conclusion of that that was his problem, that it was not a 425 00:58:29,061 --> 00:58:33,202 specific problem of military generation, but it was 426 00:58:33,203 --> 00:58:37,600 very delicate in relation to Italy, Bosnia and Herzegovina. 427 00:58:57,070 --> 00:59:04,710 We were waiting for what the earthquakes would do and the Italian International Secretariat, 428 00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:11,390 because simply our possibilities were required here. 429 00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:21,170 After three or four months with the boss General General Jair Blachowicz, 430 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:25,590 I was interested in what was with that, If we got any information back, 431 00:59:25,591 --> 00:59:31,370 because I, waiting for it to arrive, I actually didn't see in the analytics that 432 00:59:31,545 --> 00:59:38,130 we got some information from them according to our question, but he answered me 433 00:59:38,131 --> 00:59:44,450 which was immediately informed from the earthquake station in Sarajevo, 434 00:59:44,780 --> 00:59:50,570 that the International Secretariat of the Italian security investigated the case, 435 00:59:52,050 --> 00:59:59,550 who found the place from which everything is mobilized and that they neutralized and that this 436 01:00:00,470 --> 01:00:02,490 It will not be repeated again. 437 01:00:03,950 --> 01:00:11,950 I think the safari lasted until almost year 94, or maybe a little later, 438 01:00:12,010 --> 01:00:17,550 because in the years 93-94 I was very below. 439 01:00:21,110 --> 01:00:23,892 As I would say, the city Serbia's capital was 440 01:00:23,893 --> 01:00:27,790 connected with movement air from around the world. 441 01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:34,610 And the nearest coastline of Slovenia or Croatia was Trst. 442 01:00:34,675 --> 01:00:39,130 And Trst went to the coast three times a day in Belgrade. 443 01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:49,010 I have observed the coastline, that is, the Trst coastline, the JAT, the JAT ATR42, 444 01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:54,313 the turbo-owned coastline, there was a guy 445 01:00:54,314 --> 01:00:58,991 of people I knew that I was going to do business. 446 01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:09,550 And I have two colleagues who have worked in these transports because they were 447 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:15,290 employees in the Serbian Force, not in the Serbian Republic, but in the 448 01:01:15,291 --> 01:01:17,630 Serbian force were pilots helicopters. 449 01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:19,730 Well, they paid for it. 450 01:01:21,330 --> 01:01:24,910 In the beginning it was like that, the weekend was like that, but that was very like that. 451 01:01:26,290 --> 01:01:29,170 Trst went there, and the next day was like this. 452 01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:31,330 That wasn't something that lasted very long. 453 01:01:31,790 --> 01:01:33,070 That changed quickly. 454 01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:34,630 The people turned quickly. 455 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:42,610 And I know that according to the information I have received, the Americans, the Canadians, 456 01:01:42,810 --> 01:01:48,830 Russians, it was also spoken in Slovenia, but I do not have this information 100%. 457 01:01:48,831 --> 01:01:52,930 But I say yes, because I believe that Slovenians are a special people, 458 01:01:53,580 --> 01:01:59,870 that there is also something to be found here be able to do this. 459 01:02:00,070 --> 01:02:01,570 ... ... 460 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:30,460 ... ... ... ... ... ... 461 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:31,920 ... 462 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,380 ... ... 463 01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:50,301 ... ... ... 464 01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,941 ... ... ... ... 465 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,400 ... 466 01:03:23,015 --> 01:03:30,940 The aspect of payments to attack the people are an extreme level of eccentric and 467 01:03:30,941 --> 01:03:34,695 of psychological pathology what could be 468 01:03:34,696 --> 01:03:39,860 expressed more precisely with a diagnosis. 469 01:03:40,860 --> 01:03:45,633 We experience them and we didn't worry 470 01:03:45,634 --> 01:03:51,220 a lot about his motives and their lives before that. 471 01:03:52,220 --> 01:04:00,220 We imagined that they were people who used the luxury of their lives to 472 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:10,200 experience all the adventures, satisfactions and challenges that could be 473 01:04:10,201 --> 01:04:15,600 pay with money until then, and the murder of invincible people does not 474 01:04:15,601 --> 01:04:21,560 was taken into account, simply because in everyone normal feels guilty, 475 01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:22,780 They feel sanctioned. 476 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,839 So, they are not completely... you can say that 477 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,760 They are crazy, they are mentally separated from this world. 478 01:04:32,860 --> 01:04:36,995 They understand quite well where are the borders of 479 01:04:36,996 --> 01:04:39,821 normality and where they are the boundaries of guilt. 480 01:04:40,140 --> 01:04:44,620 And then, in such an extreme situation like that of war, the 481 01:04:44,621 --> 01:04:48,980 opportunity for someone to offer them or that they themselves come to the idea that 482 01:04:48,981 --> 01:04:55,980 in their trophy gallery they can have a person like the human head. 483 01:05:02,370 --> 01:05:09,920 Perhaps the most morbid thing about them is that they have found people who are ready to 484 01:05:09,921 --> 01:05:14,041 organize this, that are ready to meet 485 01:05:14,042 --> 01:05:16,520 and take them to the border line. 486 01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:20,760 And show them the space where find potential targets. 487 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:29,360 That is, those soldiers had a assistance that directed them towards the area 488 01:05:29,361 --> 01:05:31,922 in which it was controlled the Armia B.H., is 489 01:05:31,923 --> 01:05:35,341 That is, the enemies of the Serpent Republic. 490 01:05:35,580 --> 01:05:40,540 And the only gift was to shoot that one territory, to anyone. 491 01:05:42,845 --> 01:05:45,520 The man who shoots the other man... 492 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,660 has to believe that in reality his actions They do not have major consequences, 493 01:05:52,300 --> 01:06:00,300 that the man he shoots is guilty and deserves what he has done to her, except if not 494 01:06:00,750 --> 01:06:08,700 is in a sad psychosis, in which is convinced that the human person 495 01:06:08,701 --> 01:06:13,940 Those who shoot are not people, that they don't deserve life. 496 01:06:15,180 --> 01:06:18,180 If he is not in a sad psychosis, If you are not able to feel your 497 01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:27,140 feeling, to create empathy with people From that side, he is a person 498 01:06:27,141 --> 01:06:34,520 extremely disfigured, a beast mysticism that haunts people. 499 01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:38,860 Is that devil mentioned as a being of fire? 500 01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:44,110 Mmm... Is that... Is that devil mentioned as a being of fire? 501 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,230 Is it that force, that something? 502 01:06:49,070 --> 01:06:51,330 How mystical is all this? 503 01:06:51,995 --> 01:06:55,570 How to explain it in a different way What like some terrible mystery? 504 01:06:56,060 --> 01:07:00,530 I can't call it one way different than... 505 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:08,887 crazy, crazy terrible, a secret madness, a 506 01:07:08,888 --> 01:07:16,450 secret madness, madness narrow, scarce, precise... 507 01:07:20,650 --> 01:07:21,920 difficult, and a fire. 508 01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:27,140 Does it happen to my smart joy? 509 01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:28,300 rotating policy? 510 01:07:28,301 --> 01:07:34,140 Well, that's my question, the one I've posed to myself, surely to everyone 511 01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:43,740 these 26 years that have passed since my daughter, our daughter, Irina, was murdered, 512 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:52,500 but I'm sure it's a man bad, he is not a normal man, 513 01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:58,240 because that question has hurt me a lot and It has hurt me a lot. 514 01:07:58,300 --> 01:08:00,400 Why hasn't he killed me? 515 01:08:00,820 --> 01:08:02,100 Why did he kill Irina? 516 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:09,860 Because if someone could do something bad to you to her, it could be me, it's not a child, 517 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,120 no. 518 01:08:13,540 --> 01:08:17,720 Well, they also suggested that I would murder and that would be terrible. 519 01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:22,760 So I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. 520 01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:39,260 And, so, because I know that we are all alone people, we are all alone, 521 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,760 that in reality between us, in jealousy, in the structure, 522 01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:52,600 in life, there really is none difference. 523 01:09:55,410 --> 01:09:57,560 But there is something. 524 01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:09,300 So some of us, without reason, they can murder a clinician 525 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:17,560 full of children in which none of the 4 degrees has not survived. 526 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:29,490 There are people who can rape a man for years. 527 01:10:37,610 --> 01:10:45,610 and then cover that damn, transfer it from one house to another and that there are people 528 01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:53,919 that now they will go to another land where chaos is 529 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,230 so big that they can kill without consequences. 530 01:11:01,690 --> 01:11:02,690 Chavez. 531 01:12:33,025 --> 01:12:40,950 Chavez. Chavez.